02 March 2015

"Night" Section 2 Reaction

- - - Explain the significance of the poem in the middle of page 34.

- - - how has the Eliezer's relationship with his father changed since the beginning of the book. Why is this important?

30 comments:

  1. The poem represents Eliezer's feelings and how he's losing hope and himself in such a short amount of time. He uses the word "never" a lot in his poem which obviously means he is in some state of shock at the fact all this is happening. He nor the other Jews ever imagined being in a detrimental condition like a concentration camp.

    In the beginning of Night there was a distance between him and his father. His father never payed close attention to Eliezer's wants and brushed them off to the side. By the end of section two you can definitely see a switch in both of there demeanor's . They know they have to stick together in order to survive the brutal treatment they will endure. That's significant because it shows us readers that the conditions at the concentration camp has brought Eliezer and his father closer together.

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  2. That poem shows a turning point for Elie. At first he could barely believe what was going on around him; the horror seemed almost impossible to be true. The poem shows that reality has set in. What he is seeing is real and it is horror that he will never be able to disregard from his memory. The poem also shows a loss of faith for Elie. What he has been believing in all his life has been taken by the
    The relationship between Elie and his father has changed since the beginning of the memoir. They went from a distant father son relationship to a closer survival protective relationship. During the beginning of the novel, Elie and his father were more of an ordinary father son relationship; rarely calling upon one another for comfort. But when they became one another’s only sense of comfort and will-to-survive the life of the other became much more significant. When an individual has someone to live for, it makes the will to survive greater and more probable. This is important because the anger that ignites in Elie when his father is beaten and harmed in any way could create an unconscious drive to make sure that he does survive.

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  3. The poem on page 34 was included in Wiesel's memoir because it emphasizes the terrible experience that was entering the concentration camp. In addition, it also relay's Eliezer's current feelings about his faith. Only a few days before, Eliezer felt he had a connection to God that he could never break. The poem suggests that the camp was so horrific that it could even desecrate the faith of a devout individual. "Flames that consumed my faith forever".

    Before entering the camp Eliezer never had a classic father son relationship with his father. He thought his father's faith was dry, and had very little interaction with him. As we begin to see in section 2, Eliezer and his father are each other’s only companions, and this is what sprouts the beginning of a new relationship. This bonding between Eliezer and his father illustrates how negative circumstance can sometimes have positive effects. It is important to recognize how important the pair's changing relationship is because Wiesel shows the reader the internal need for human connection we all have (and it is exposed most severely in terrible situations).

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  4. Mary Crissman Pd.5
    1. The significance of the poem shows that Elizer is starting to lose his faith in God. He says, “Never shall I forget those moments that murdered my God and my soul and turned my dreams into ashes.” He explains that he will never be able to forget the things he witnessed or experienced at those camps.
    2. At the beginning of the story Elizer and his father had almost no relationship at all. He said that his father was more concerned with others than his own family. However, I think the horrors of the concentration camps have started to make them value their relationship more. They have gotten closer as they contemplate their future and are starting to understand each other. This is important because they went from having almost no relationship at all to valuing one another.

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  5. The poem on page 34 marks the beginning of Eliezer's lose of humanity at the hands of the despicable unfamiliarity present in his surroundings. Each line painfully illustrates the tears of his moral compass and being at the sickening aberrations that
    confronted him. He describes the sights that, just in the course of one single event, have forever become engraved in his mind and his soul. He commits himself to never forgetting the horror that happens here, the sites to which he is forever attached by heartful wounds. It is significant in making one of many already seen connections to the title of the novel, "Night." All concept of time has begun to diminish into one seemingly endless night that draws longer by the hour, that no matter what the sun or sky says, can not be erased. He says, "The first night in camp, that turned my life into one long night seven times sealed." Prior to this, he has also constantly referred to his current inability to sleep (a note made by the author as a break away from the narrative). These thoughts and images plague him today and forever more, just as he promises he will "never" forget in this poem. This poem also imprints the delusion of his faith, as he describes it, "Those moments that murdered my God and my soul and turned my dreams to ashes." He ends the poem will the solace repetition - Never - to every pain preceding and following that will never equivocate the ruin etched into his being that first night.

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  6. Michael Pifer Pd. 5March 2, 2015 at 9:09 PM

    The significance of the poem was the change in Eliezer's personality and how it was changing so rapidly. In the beginning of the story, he was seemed full of life and was positive of the direction his life was going. The poem showed the change; it created imagery of how his personality was getting blackened and depressed from its original state. And he is not certain about his life anymore and the feeling of confusion in what to believe anymore is very strong in the poem.

    Eliezer, at the beginning of the book, was not very fond of his father. His father was more caught up with other things than his family, so Eliezer didn't think he should care about his father if he did not seem to care about him. They are now very close and nearly inseparable. They are realizing that they are the only people they have left. This is important because it is showing the change in Eliezer, which is an on going thing in the story.

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  7. One instance of Eliezer's relationship with his father altering is on page 39, in which his father is slapped down for asking to use the restroom. He and his father have become connected in such a way that it actually manifests in its own latency. Eliezer can only help but see it as a common occurrence, when in any other situation he would have fought for his father. He looks on at this situation in misery and contusion, in disbelief that he had changed so much in such little time to not even flinch at his father's misfortune. Even his father knew this, however, thus revealing their growing connection as the world around them burrows inward, since he tells him "It doesn't hurt." He was fixated on the principle that he would never forgive them for their actions. His father felt this in return, no words necessary.
    From the moment that the family enters the concentration camp the first time, Eliezer faced the gravity of the situation and the collapse of his encapsulated world before it. It began to nurture his attachment toward his father, to the point that his only concern beyond the split from his mother and sisters was remaining inseparable from his father. This is a brash distinction from his connection to his father, and family in general, earlier in the book. It seemed that, the closer Eliezer was to God, the further he became from his family. His father discouraged his studies, but now clings to a dim hope with his hollowing youth. They have no choice but to band together, even as the young Pole addresses on page 41, which is also of critical importance, being that it is the "first human words" ever spoken to them in the endeavor. This is important for several reasons, beginning with the underlining statement that mankind will cling to the dimmest glitter of hope no matter how fading the light. When in degradation and trouble, people will band together or step over one another. The Jews, as Wiesel intends to illustrate, stayed as one and held one as long as their respective lives could muster. No matter how grave or sorrow the circumstance, Eliezer clung to his father with all remaining luster, however lackluster the situation. His father is also the last remnant of what life was like prior to their introduction to the camp. Without him, he would have no reason to go on living, and surely succumb to the withstandings of the situation. Their growing relationship is of critical importance to the hope of survival that ultimately graces Wiesel/Eliezer's fortune.

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  8. 1) The significance of the poem is that this event will forever be engraved in Eliezer's memory and will always shape who he is. No matter what result is to come, he will never forget what happened and by emphasizing the poem in the memoir, he never wants the rest of the world to forget the impact this tragedy had.
    2) The relationship with Eliezer and his father has changed from distant and restricted to clingy and dependent. This is because they are both going through an unimaginably horrible event and each other is all they have. After being stripped of their house, family, and possessions, the only recognizable thing is each other. It is important to see this change among the others that Eliezer is goignt through because it gives insight of how your identity can change given any circumstance. Also it presents the idea of the importance of family relationships and the bonds that cannot be broken no matter what.

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  9. Anthony Johnson PD. 1March 2, 2015 at 9:19 PM

    Eliezer uses the poem as a way to remember that night. He wants to remember how awful the Nazis are. He now knows they are not his friends. They are not there to care for them. The Nazis are not concerned with anyone but themselves. Eliezer is nothing to them. Eliezer, perhaps, is feeling revengeful. He will never trust them. Perhaps this is the night that forever changed him, as well as his memory. When Eliezer lies to Stein, it shows (at least to me) some of the Nazis rubbed off on him. He lied and didn't think twice about it.

    Eliezer never hated his father. He loves his father but just did not feel like he could relate to him. His father didn't agree with Eliezer's compassion for religion, but his father, in any sense, was a bad father. Once it is just Eliezer and his father, it is just them. They have no one else but each other at this point. They are family and must stick together.

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  10. The poem is significant to the story because that first night in the concentration camp is when he truly lost his faith in god and humanity. He describes not only what he had felt that night but the memories that still haunt him today. It was that moment in time that Eliezer had lost his innocence and his will to live.

    At the beginning of the book, Eliezer and his father did not have a good relationship. Eliezer wanted to be close with his father but he did not approve of what Eliezer wanted to do with the rest of his life. He continually tried to keep him from dedicating his life to studying Kabbalah. Once they are transported to the camp, however, their relationship changed. They now had to stay together through all the harsh conditions of the camp and depended on each other for protection. They were stripped of all their possessions, so staying with each other was the only form of home they had left. This is important because they give each other a reason to live. Many times fighting to stay alive for loved ones was the only way these people to continue moving forward. This is shown with Stein from Antwer. He tells Eliezer that the only thing that keeps him alive is to know that his children are still alive. This relates to Eliezer and his father because they rely on each other for survival.

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  11. Hannah Lanzelotti Pd. 3March 2, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    1. The poem in section 2 is significant to this memoir because it shows a glimpse of Eliezer’s real, in-depth feelings on the night he first arrived to a concentration camp. The way he breaks the narration and focuses on his experience is very powerful. He starts each line with “Never shall I forget” showing how ingrained in his memory everything from that day was and always will be. He needs to show what a lasting impact the Holocaust had on him because so far in the memoir, everyone else is in denial. This is the first time in the memoir that he really talks about his feelings and brings reality to the situation that he went through. That short poem brought life to the events that happened in the Holocaust. It showed acceptance and realization of that time in history.

    2. Eliezer’s relationship with his father has changed since section 1 of the memoir. In the introduction to his family, Eliezer portrays his father as a distant being. He seems to want to have a relationship with him but knows he has other, more important matters to attend to. When split with the women in his family, Eliezer and his father have to stick together. Their bond as father and son soon becomes tight because of the struggles they are put through. It is an unsaid agreement that they lock into once put into the camps. They must stay together and look after on another. Their past relationship is no longer important. When they held hands at the beginning of the camp, it symbolized the new relationship they have together. This is important because it is a theme that is emerging in the memoir. Wiesel is showing the importance of a father and son bond and what that bond can withstand without being broken. They only have each other and their relationship will continue to grow as the days continue at Auschwitz.

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  12. The significance of the poem in the middle of page 34 is meant for Eliezer to talk about his experiences and how they have affected him. There is a reason that he inserts this poem here instead of staying on the flashback. The reason is he is giving the reader a look into his mind and how all of this still manages to affect him even to this day. In the poem he is also starting to question his faith a little bit more. He talks about the silence which I think will turn into one of the most important themes of this story because it is something that surrounds all the concentration camps.

    In the very beginning of this story Eliezer talks about his relationship with his father by saying that they do not get along because his father thinks a career in faith is dangerous. He defies his father's wishes which shows how bad their relationship is because it is based on lies. As the story has progressed though, the concentration camps are building a tighter bond between the father and son duo. Eliezer is actually very worried that he is going to lose his father which causes him to appreciate more than he did before. This is important in the fact that he does not want to be alone which is why he is forming a tighter bond with his father throughout the story so far.

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  13. The poem signifies that after simply glancing over and noticing how the kids were dealt with at the concentration camp, Wiesel's life was changed forever. He simply could not fathom what they were doing to them, which continued to haunt him for the rest of his life. Everything Eliezer had once known about God crumbled because of the sheer terror of children being thrown into a furnace. Everything he saw that day would be etched in his mind forever.

    Eliezer's relationship with his father has changed because towards the beginning of the story, he lacked respect for his father. He explains that he studied the Kabbalah, which went against his father's wishes. However, now in the camp, Wiesel always checks to make sure that he is with his father at all times and they do not et separated. This change is important because Eliezer took his father for granted at first, but now that they are in the concentration camp, he hangs on to his father for as long as he can because he is the only family he has left.

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  14. Maggie Crombie Period 5March 3, 2015 at 12:08 AM

    The poem continually repeats the phrase, “Never forget,” to illustrate to the reader that this incident is permanent in his head and his heart. It was first at Auschwitz when he saw the babies being thrown into the crematory, that Wiesel’s identity started changing. He didn’t understand how God, if he even existed, could have it in his heart to allow people to be treated in such a way. The poem shows that humanity does not seem to exist in this time, and it is then that he realizes that. Auschwitz changed Wiesel’s entire perspective on life and faith. He wants people to know that and be aware of it so an event like this is never possible again. In stating the facts so blatantly, almost in a desperate way, he touches the hearts of others.

    Eliezer and his father were split from the rest of their family, and now they only have each other. A once callous man must now cling to his only lifeline within the camp. His father has broken down. He shows a great deal of emotion upon their arrival to the death camp which is a side Eliezer is not used of seeing. They both express that they feel the need to protect one another. He feels guilt over not acting upon the incident with the Kapo and his father states that he must protect his son. These events are significant because they all express a change in identity of the characters due to the severe conditions of the camp. Auschwitz , like any other evil in this world, has the capacity to change a person entirely.

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  15. --- The poem shows Eliezer losing his faith. The line "Never shall I forget those flames that consumed my faith forever." He is telling how in such little time the concentrations camps change him. The poem also shows how dark these camp were that it drove such a religious person to lose all hope, even in their god.
    --- In the beginning of the book Eliezer is much closer with his mother. Once they got to the concentration camp and was separated from his mother and sister, all he has is his father. This is important because it shows how fast the camps could change your perspective about people. Eliezer is seeing his father this way because he is all Eliezer knows and can trust.

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  16. I believe the poem is significant in the sense that it gave in insigt into how horrible the week that was to come was. it told that the horrors he had to endure were so awful that his faith broke and he lost his will to live. it showed how the camp things he would never forget.

    I believe Eliezer has gained a stronger relationship with his father since the beginning of the book. even during the train ride to Aushwitz, Eliezer clung to his father out of fear. The two are to gain an even stronger relationship as the book progresses, being inseparable.

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  17. --- The significance of the poem is to tell us that everything Eliezer experienced in the death camps has been permanently sealed in his mind never to be forgotten. This will remind people of the horrors that took place and how those death camps would completely transform people into beings without any hope or will to live, all in hopes that nothing like that would happen again.

    --- Eliezer's relationship with his father has grown since the beginning of the book. This is very important because all that they have left in the world is each other. They have no authority over anyone else anymore, so they must rely on each other. This really brings out the idea that family relationships should not taken for granted. Like in Eliezer's situation, sometimes family is the only thing you will have left. If he lost his father, he would have no one left. Family is one of the key things to possibly keep your will to survive strong.

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  18. 1.) The significance of the poem on page 34 is to try to explain how he felt. It also shows the creative, writing side of him. How putting how he felt about the holocaust. He puts his feelings into something not destructive and uses it for the good. He's also showing how scarred he is from this point of his life and that it will live within him forever.
    2.) The relationship between Eliezer and his father has greatly changed from how he introduced their relationship in the beginning of the book until now when he describes their relationship after being separated from his mother and sister's. I believe that is when the relationship turned around (when the family was separated). In the beginning of the book, he describes his relationship with his father and says his father didn't support his religious studies. He told him he was too young to put so much focus on religion. On the top of page 30, Eliezer says how he grabbed his father's hand tighter. He states he didn't want to be alone and he knew he had to stick with his father. He says "All I could think of was not to lose him. Not to remain alone."

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  19. The poem shows how he is being affected by the things he is seeing. He is shocked and is losing the will to live. He is certainly scarred for life and will never forget it.
    The two become much closer. They depend on each other for survival. They provide security for one another. They help each other mentally and physically.

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  20. 1) the poem serves to describe the horror and significance of Eliezer's first night at Auschwitz - his first concrete encounter with the precision and strength of the death factory that was this concentration camp. He uses strong language to describe the lasting impact of what he saw:"Never shall I forget the small faces of the children whose bodies I saw transformed into smoke under a silent sky / Never shall I forget those flames that consume

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  21. d them... / Never."

    2) Eliezer's relationship with his dad has become one of greater equality and unity. Eliezer and his father now have the same lot in life, the same amount of possessions, the same responsibilities. They are unified in their experience of suffering, although Eliezer still respects his father very much and feels guilty for not defending him when he is slapped by the superior.

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  22. The poem in the middle of page 34 is quite random, but for a significant reason. The poem reminds readers that this story is not fiction; it is real, and Wiesel is writing this from memory. It is also the best way for Wiesel to summarize his emotions for readers. At certain points in the memoir, it is hard for Wiesel to clearly express his emotions at the time because he is so focused on telling the story.To fix this issue, he places the poem in the middle of storytelling. It helps him summarize his emotions at the time he describes in the story,but also at the time of writing. It shows how the events in the memory have changed him and affected him forever.

    Eliezer's relationship with his father has grown immensely since the beginning of the book. As Eli described in the first section, his father was greatly distant and didn't involve himself in many family matters. As the book progresses, however, and the Wiesels are deported to Auschwitz, his father grows softer. Eli clings to his hand constantly and his father never leaves his side. His father shows a subtle sense of care when he tells Eliezer that he should of left with his mother because he thought the conditions with her would be better. Eli's father no longer has anything to worry about but Eli and himself, so readers begin to see their relationship transform and grow in a more loving display.

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  23. The poem is very significant it shows how he feels saftey in the night but also how the night makes him think about the horrible things he had to see in the day time and things that have permanently scared him alongside with his new prescrive of life.

    In the beginning he has almost no relationship with his father. His father is a community leader and has little time to be with him. Elie states how he dosent have much of a relationship with him because of his fathers bitterness. In the story it states "more concerned with others than with his own family." but being in such a horrible place the camps make them rekindle there relationship. As the camps worsen they kept each other safe. Soon after New Years they develop a strong bond. The story states "never understood one another so clearly."

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  24. Kevin Borland Pd.5March 4, 2015 at 10:44 PM

    The poem is significant because Eliezer, who described himself as being deeply religous, has just said that his God has been murdered. He spent one night in concentration camps and his eternity of religous devotion has come to an end. Its also significant, because of the number seven. The phrase never shall I forget is uttered seven times and this night was the worst seven times sealed, an illusion to the seven seals of the apocalypse. This just another indication of how much Eliezer has changed in just one night.
    2.)At the beginning of the book, Eliezer was not particularly close with his father. His father did not seem to care and in fact seemed to care more about the affairs of others. He wanted to be closer with his father, but seemed to be closer with his better educated mother. At this point in the story, Eliezer and his father are almost inseperable. They want to survive and most importantly want to survive together, because each other is all that they have left. Thus shows how relationships with people change, and opinions of people change. Their relationship has changed as the relationship between Sighet and the Nazis have changed. At first, nobody believed that the Nazis were so bad. When that opinion changed, so did the relationship between Eliezer and his father.

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  25. 1.) The poem in the middle of the narration represents many things. First, the poem itself describes the 7 Plagues in The Bible in Revelations. In Revelations, God sends down 7 plagues to bring an end to mankind. In Wiesel's poem, he says "...seven times sealed." And there are seven more times he says 'never'. He talks about how the flames of the night murdered his God and his faith. He talks about how the faces of children were turned into smoke. Most importantly, he finally realizes what the Nazis are doing and it changes his life forever.This is a direct reference to Revelations when God destroys humankind. He could also be referencing Kabbalah, which is Jewish mysticism. Being sealed is a big part of the Kabbalah teachings. You have to be sealed to move on to the next spiritual plain to reach God. A soul must be sealed to get through the seven gates on the journey. This is what he means by "seven times sealed."
    2.) Elizer's relationship with his father has gone from a distant enforcer and prominent figure of the town more than a family man, to an actual person with hopes and dreams and fears of his own, as well as stepping into a real father-figure role. This is something everyone goes through at some point in their lives, when you stop seeing your parents as just your parents but actual people with the aforementioned vices and hibitions. But Elizer's experiences in all the different concentration camps has thrown him into a world where he must (atleast mentally) rely on his father, and his father also relies on his Elizer. So when Elizer see's his father have a colic attack and asks to use the restroom and gets slapped, this shows that Elizer wants to help his father but given the circumstances, he can't and this shows Elizer that his father is a vulnerable person as well.

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  26. By stopping the story for a moment to recall this through a poem it creates an impact on the reader. This period was obviously extremely influential on Eliezer and how he is today and by saying this poem it gives a small of idea just how this changed him. Also there is 7 lines of the poem so the number 7 is significant as well. There are 7 days in a week which could also show how this first week changed him the most. There are also 7 deadly sins which also seem to be represented in the concentration camps for Eliezer.
    Eliezers and his father's relationships becomes a lot stronger since the beginning of the book. The dynamic changes as well. Before him and his father were not close at all and seemed to disagree on everything. Now they are each others support system. Eliezer looks out for and protects his father and his father's sole goal is to help protect Eliezer. They now are codependent on each other which is completley different than the beginning of the book.

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  27. The poem is significant because it shows how Eliezer is changing. He originally identifies as deeply religious and sure of himself and his choices. This poem tells us that Auschwitz broke his spirit, his religious nature, and his identity. From this point on he questions God and everything he believed, showing his drastic change in character and the roles played within the camp.

    At the beginning Eliezer tells us how he defies his father and does not have a solid relationship with him, instead he is closer with his mother. However, at this point in the book, Eliezer clings to his father. He talks about how his father can't live without him but also how he can't live without his father. Their actual roles as father and son flip-flop as well, it at times, seems like Eliezer is caring and protecting his father (like when he tries to teach him to march) but, at other times, it seems as though Eliezer dislikes his father or believes he hinders his own survival (like when Idek beats his father). The roles in Auschwitz do not exist, they are all just prisoners.

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  28. The poem represents how much this has impacted his life how he was giving up hope. That they didn't think they were going to make it
    The relationship changed because at first they were close at all then when everything in his life changed he relized his father was all he had left and needed him to survive

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  29. 1. The poem continually repeats the phrase, “Never forget,” to illustrate to the reader that this incident is permanent in his head and his heart. It was first at Auschwitz when he saw the babies being thrown into the crematory, that Wiesel’s identity started changing. He didn’t understand how God, if he even existed, could have it in his heart to allow people to be treated in such a way. The poem shows that humanity does not seem to exist in this time, and it is then that he realizes that. Auschwitz changed Wiesel’s entire perspective on life and faith.

    2. He and his father were split from the rest of their family, and now they only have each other. His father shows a great deal of emotion upon their arrival to the death camp which is a side Eliezer is not used of seeing. They both express that they feel the need to protect one another. He feels guilt over not acting upon the incident with the Kapo and his father states that he must protect his son. These events are significant because they all express a change in identity of the characters due to the severe conditions of the camp. Auschwitz , like any other evil in this world, has the capacity to change a person entirely.

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  30. -- The poem is a turning point in Eliezer's identity at the beginning nothing could ever make him question his faith or lose his faith in his god. Then after seeing the concentration camp everything changed in a heart beat he basically says his faith has been shattered from the gruesome images he has seen he will never be able to forget what he has seen.
    -- At the very beginning of the story Eliezer described his father as distant and he was not around and was more involved in other affairs outside of his family. During this section his father shows emotion towards Eliezer which he is not use to seeing from his father. I feel as though this is significant because it is showing that in terrible times like these peoples true characters come out.

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